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Post by Frank n Beanz on Apr 17, 2009 0:33:52 GMT -5
LOL Cisco is absolutly fine, actually thats how my mates call me back home. But yeah I know what you mean, I'd love to play a fighty dwarf army and have faced those gun lines with horrible results to my ego Thats an interesting Idea about the dwarfs marching faster, I always thought they should have some special rule for handling charges, seeing as they would probably never get the charge on most armies. Something like getting an armour bonus for the first round when they get charged, due to holding thier ground in a defensive stance or something crazy like not being removed until the end of the round as casualties so they always get to strike back but maybe with a reduced strength or WS as they stubbornly strike back with their dying breath unless the strenth of the attack is higher then thier Toughness for example,just a thought. Anyways Ij ust finished deamon slayer and loving dragon slayer, your so right Bill King is a much better writer, he seems to keep your focus and intrest alot more. Gotta say dont think i'd ever play as skaven, too much musk spraying for my liking
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Post by Blane on Apr 17, 2009 8:24:55 GMT -5
lol @ the musk spraying. Actually Cisco, the bonus Dwarfs get from taking charges is that they have toughness 4, an average save of 2-3+ if they have hand weapon shield or if they have a great weapon, 4-5+. Then, they smack you with a couple elven-equivalent WS str 6 hits if they do. I looked at the book recently and every Dwarf with the exception of the core warriors and gunners have str 4. They're like slower Chaos warriors. If a race can take charges, its the Dwarfs. Alternatively, the Dwarf will lose combat by 2, making his leadership go down to 8. He stays, and reinforcements are on their way. Its never that simple, but you get my drift. The key to breaking Dwarfs is flanking. Its allll about the flank. Gotta break those ranks to be able to win by anything substantial.
And yes, it is much better reading the Bill King books than the Nathan Long ones. However, the series is good enough that you still read on...you get used to the new author.
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Post by Blane on Apr 17, 2009 8:25:10 GMT -5
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Post by stonebrow on Apr 17, 2009 11:33:23 GMT -5
You have to have played Dwarfs for a bit to really understand their march moves and how to use a fighting Dwarf army. I've used all kinds of Dwarfs armies in the past and none of them are as easy as most people think. Even the gunline isn't that easy to play unless you have Thorek to back you up. Without him the enemy still gets to you by turn 2 or 3. Not going to do that much damage till then and if you are a true gunline then you don't have much that can take a charge anymore. The trick for fighty lists is to still have an anvil and using it for some sneaky extra movements here and there while the entire army moves forward. You guys will see what I mean soon enough
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Post by Blane on Apr 17, 2009 15:40:02 GMT -5
Well, my response to that is that Dwarfs players maybe think it too easy to beat Dwarfs. You forget then even if the other guy gets to you turn 3, hes lost a lot of rank bonuses across his army. And you are tougher than average in close combat.
But this is completely besides the point. All I meant to say was that it sucks that the most efficient way to play Dwarfs is to maximize shooting with some combat elements that sit and wait for the other guy. Apparently this is the way that High Elves win tournaments too: Have a nuts load of shooting and Magic and wait for the other guy, march block him with Eagles. I wish GW would not build army books that do this, cause it sucks both to play and play against. Thats why i don't play the super shooty magic list either. Yay! Sitting in my deployment zone while I pound the other guy! Oh what? Your shootier than me? I guess Im dead! You not ? I win!
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Post by Frank n Beanz on Apr 18, 2009 0:41:08 GMT -5
I'm still really tempeted to start a dwarf army, the more I read these books the more I like dwarfs for the crazy ale chugging, no guff taking, grude bearing, gizmo building,no fork using,magic hating SoB's they are.
I'd like to try a fighty dwarf army with gyrocopters to protect the flanks, cause i keep hearing thats thier main problem, but i'm sure u can deploy units to protect the flanks like say small unit slayers, they wont break and next turn u just charge them back. OMG just noticed dwarfs are mostly metal and expensive as hell........ i think chaos warriors are looking easier on the old pocket.
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Post by Blane on Apr 18, 2009 8:35:25 GMT -5
Your right actually, gyros and slayer heroes can piss off people enough that they will think twice about sending fastcave in there direction. And this is where you make your choices: a gyro is a rare and so is an organ gun. Gotta make dem choices! Organ guns are those things that if they work, they can obliterate things that usually just sit there and laugh at shooting, like skirmishers in cover. But, on the other hand, they can explode easily with some misfires...which Brow now knows lol.
And Sadly yes, they have even more metal than HE. Just wait till the exchange rate goes up with the states and get it from thewartstore! hehehe.
Also, it might be more fun to play a good army next so you can have both! Im gonna go for an evil army most likely as my next army.
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Post by Frank n Beanz on Apr 18, 2009 13:18:24 GMT -5
Cool well that was going to be my next question if you could recomend a good site to buy minis from thats cheap, I found www.gc-minis.com, ever hear of it? Seems decent, I've budgeted I could probably spend $300- $400 but its a toss up between starting a new army or getting some new armour for myself, possibly a chainmail plate combination.
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Post by Blane on Apr 20, 2009 7:28:37 GMT -5
Yeah I have ordered from gc-minis before and saved quite a bit. Most of my Blood Angels come form there. The only drawback is the shipping. I just checked, and you save much more from ordering a lot on the shipping. If so, I'm sure a few people wouldn't mind getting together and making a larger order.
Alternatively, thewarstore.com is a US site that sells at -20% of US retail prices. Recently because of price changes, some things are more advantageous to get at GC-minis and some better at warstore.com take the following for example:
Full Canadian price: 50
Gc-minis price: 36.75 with tax, + shipping
warstore.com price: 38.72, plus taxes, 5$ shipping.
What this tells you is the following: If you order very very little, I suggest you contact someone at the GW and have him buy it for you. Otherwise, the warstore.com's 5$ flat shipping rate is awesome. However, I only suggest making large orders if the exchange rate goes up. Right now, the 20% discount is off-set by the 20% difference in exchange rate.
I looked at the shipping prices for gc-minis, and for one anvil (35$), it was like 16$ or 45%. However for 20 anvils(700), it was only 36$ or 5%. See how it is advantageous to order in bulk? So try and find people who are looking to buy and that you trust.
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Post by Frank n Beanz on Apr 21, 2009 13:19:21 GMT -5
Cool, i`ll check those out, but I probably wont start collecting it any time soon, I think I might renforce my DE a bit first and finish painting most of them because I know if I start a new army I`ll never get them done.
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